3.0.12_b1

new shot!

- corrige un misérable bug d'affichage
- reverse usbPro code
- xFade_X1 et X2 retravaillés

-ajout d'un master de scène (avec commandes OSC (/seq/master xxx) et Midi)
- quelques améliorations graphiques.

ce qu'il faut tester c'est xfade X1/X2 et le nouveau master de scène.
pour ce dernier notamment, tester la modulation de l'état de scène pendant l'enregistrement d'un sample.

merci de communiquer les résultats de vos tests.
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Nico

Salut Nico

sl1200mk2 écrit: new shot!

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ce qu'il faut tester c'est xfade X1/X2 et le nouveau master de scène.
pour ce dernier notamment, tester la modulation de l'état de scène pendant l'enregistrement d'un sample.

The Scene Master does indeed modify the channel levels in a Sample - but...

If you have a Sub in an MLink as part of a scene, the sub levels are not modified:

so for example:
Step 1 Q1 CH 5 @ FF TIME 0 WAIT 0.5 MLINK Sub 1 (Contains eg GROUP 1 (CH 10 @ FF))
STEP 2 Q2 CH 6 @ FF TIME 0 WAIT 0.5 JUMP 2 MLINK Sub 2 (Contains eg GROUP 2 (CH 11 @ FF))

Run this; start a sample; as should be, the sample runs

CH 5 @ FF CH 10 @ FF
CH 6 @ FF CH 11 @ FF
CH 5 @ FF CH 10 @ FF
CH 5 @ FF CH 11 @ FF

Now set the Scene master to 50%, and run again, start a new sample

Now the sample runs

CH 5 @ 50 CH 10 @ FF
CH 6 @ 50 CH 11 @ FF
CH 5 @ 50 CH 10 @ FF
CH 5 @ 50 CH 11 @ FF

So the Scene Master doesn't LTP on the Subs linked to the cues

Should this be so?

sl1200mk2 écrit: merci de communiquer les résultats de vos tests.
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Nico

Regards

Colin

@Colin,
brilliant as usual...

the 'Scene Master' only behave on levels of channels that are hold by a cue. If channels are under submaster control, they're not under Scene Master control.
hope it's clear and you're agree with this behaviour.

the only tricky part is the graphical display.
It would be a lot simpler to display level's of channels that are modified by the Scene Master and maybe it make more sense.
if we do so (eg make channel's display move while moving the 'Scene Master") what behaviour do we choose when we record a cue?

one solution can be:
display is moving according to Scene Master
cue is recorded with modulated level.
once a cue is recorded, the Scene Master automagically jump to FF (like for the joystick)

another solution can be:
display is not moving according to the Scene Master.
cue is recorded with displayed levels
Scene Master does not move

in fact where discussing at wich point the Scene Master is present in the chain and how we would like this function to behave.

saludos!
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sl1200mk2 écrit: @Colin,
brilliant as usual...

:blush:

sl1200mk2 écrit: the 'Scene Master' only behave on levels of channels that are hold by a cue. If channels are under submaster control, they're not under Scene Master control.
hope it's clear and you're agree with this behaviour.

Hmmmm... Not sure about this... If you are using a Sub as part of a scene/cue, and you need to quickly modify it, don't you need the Scene master to act on *everything* involved in the scene. Maybe another check box on the Sub window, like the one that is supposed to let you stop a sub being recorded in a cue. This new check box would in effect say 'Allow levels set by this Sub to be commanded by Scene Master'. I think this might be very useful.

sl1200mk2 écrit: the only tricky part is the graphical display.
It would be a lot simpler to display level's of channels that are modified by the Scene Master and maybe it make more sense.

Yes, I think modified channels ought to show their new levels, (ideally in a *different colour* from Scene, Prepas or Sub colours :whistle: )

sl1200mk2 écrit: if we do so (eg make channel's display move while moving the 'Scene Master") what behaviour do we choose when we record a cue?

one solution can be:
display is moving according to Scene Master
cue is recorded with modulated level.
once a cue is recorded, the Scene Master automagically jump to FF (like for the joystick)

I like this one

sl1200mk2 écrit: another solution can be:
display is not moving according to the Scene Master.
cue is recorded with displayed levels
Scene Master does not move

Not so keen on this

sl1200mk2 écrit: in fact where discussing at wich point the Scene Master is present in the chain and how we would like this function to behave.

saludos!
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Hope I've made sense

Regards,

Colin

let's quote

sl1200mk2 wrote:

the 'Scene Master' only behave on levels of channels that are hold by a cue. If channels are under submaster control, they're not under Scene Master control.
hope it's clear and you're agree with this behaviour.

Hmmmm... Not sure about this... If you are using a Sub as part of a scene/cue, and you need to quickly modify it, don't you need the Scene master to act on *everything* involved in the scene. Maybe another check box on the Sub window, like the one that is supposed to let you stop a sub being recorded in a cue. This new check box would in effect say 'Allow levels set by this Sub to be commanded by Scene Master'. I think this might be very useful.

in that case there's the AllSub Master that let you adjust levels that are under submaster control.
but there were not (till now) something to trim Cue (specifically X1) levels and I think that it's the goal of Scene Master.

Yes, I think modified channels ought to show their new levels, (ideally in a *different colour* from Scene, Prepas or Sub colours )

the more I think about this, the more I tend to be agree with you about level's display.
but the color should remain red as levels still belong to X1. (IMHO)

about recording, I'll try to publish another beta tomorrow that behave accordingly to proposition1

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sl1200mk2 écrit: let's quote

sl1200mk2 wrote:

the 'Scene Master' only behave on levels of channels that are hold by a cue. If channels are under submaster control, they're not under Scene Master control.
hope it's clear and you're agree with this behaviour.

Hmmmm... Not sure about this... If you are using a Sub as part of a scene/cue, and you need to quickly modify it, don't you need the Scene master to act on *everything* involved in the scene. Maybe another check box on the Sub window, like the one that is supposed to let you stop a sub being recorded in a cue. This new check box would in effect say 'Allow levels set by this Sub to be commanded by Scene Master'. I think this might be very useful.

in that case there's the AllSub Master that let you adjust levels that are under submaster control.
but there were not (till now) something to trim Cue (specifically X1) levels and I think that it's the goal of Scene Master.

Hmmmm... Not quite the same thing. That's two separate controls just to adjust one scene - Scene Master and Sub Master - and that allows for errors in adjusting those two levels relative to each other - whereas allowing the Scene Master (in the scenario I proposed) to grab *everything* means *everything* is *exactly* reduced in proportion.

Just my 2 centimes worth...

sl1200mk2 écrit:

Yes, I think modified channels ought to show their new levels, (ideally in a *different colour* from Scene, Prepas or Sub colours )

the more I think about this, the more I tend to be agree with you about level's display.
but the color should remain red as levels still belong to X1. (IMHO)

about recording, I'll try to publish another beta tomorrow that behave accordingly to proposition1

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grab everything also means no go for LTP like.
another idea for the scene master would be to kindly reveal a submaster wich content is < to the one in X1.
if scene master grab everything, we cannot do that and except for recording it would behave like the Grand Master.

the idea is that the scene master is not in a upper position that any submaster .

and of course all channels that are assigned to Scroller or Moving Heads (except dimmer one) are excluded from the scene master control.

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Hi Nico,

That's why I suggested 'Option' button for Subs, to accept or reject Scene Master override - in *some* cases this might be a good thing...

Regards,

Colin

fair enough!
but where to put this option?

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sl1200mk2 écrit: fair enough!
but where to put this option?

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not yet....

Is it true that if you set a submaster in a disable recording state, you probably do not want this sub to be under Scene Master control.
in the other way, if you compose your cue with the submaster, you probably want them to be under the control of the scene master.

your thoughts?

(but basically, I don't like the idea that submasters are part of X1. I think they're parallel to X1 and the scene master should act on X1. my 2cents...)

sl1200mk2 écrit: not yet....

Is it true that if you set a submaster in a disable recording state, you probably do not want this sub to be under Scene Master control.
in the other way, if you compose your cue with the submaster, you probably want them to be under the control of the scene master.

your thoughts?

Exactly as you say above

sl1200mk2 écrit: (but basically, I don't like the idea that submasters are part of X1. I think they're parallel to X1 and the scene master should act on X1. my 2cents...)

So normally, yes - but with the option button to allow them to be *in* the scene

(just as you have at the very top of the Subs window, a display button that lets you include or exclude the contents of a sub when recording a cue... (turns orange))